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If win again, start progression over. If lose, advance one step. Unknown contributor. BTW, in the fibonacci you don't need 2 wins in row to begin again WLW also gives you a win on the series. Play the winning side and you will catch any streak of wins. This will work on Craps, Roulette, Baccarat. James T Mays. A betting method to apply to all systems.
We all have losing bets and when we lose we want to recoup that money. Some try the Martingale. Seasoned players know this is a sure way to leave the table broke and with an attitude. Try the Knockdown instead. When you lose a one unit bet replace it with only one unit the first go. Then your progression will be , etc. You still always win except on the second bet where you break even.
We long time players know how to appreciate being even. Over time this practice can improve most systems by several percentage points. There are many variations. In its simplest form, you write down a series or a set of numbers; say, 1 2 3 4 5 6. The series can be short or long and not necessarily sequential such as 1 1 1 3 3 5 7. The choice of a particular series depends on the type of game you want to apply it to and the odds of the bet. Each number represents the amount in units or chips to bet.
You bet the first and last of these numbers. In this example 1 and 6, which totals 7 units. If you win, you cross out the two numbers and bet the next two 'ends' the outside numbers. In this instance 2 and 5. If you win again you bet on the next two remaining numbers 3 and 4, and if you win that too, you would have made a 'coup' or completed one game.
Then you start all over again. If you lose, then you add that one number to the end of the series. If you won the first bet but lost the second 2 and 5, then the series of numbers would look like this: 2 3 4 5 7. If you work it out, you will see that when the series is completed or when you make a 'coup', there is always a profit. The negative side of this system is that you could end up betting large sums of money even if your initial bet is small.
Martingale System. The Martingale system is a very old and extremely simple system. It is based on the probability of losing infinite times in a row and is usually applied to 'even money' bets. You start with one bet. If you win, you start again with one bet. If you lose, you double your bet. Each time you lose, you double your last lost bet. Eventually you are bound to win. When you win you would recover all your lost bets plus one unit or chip profit against your initial wager.
Although infallible in theory, the Martingale system requires a large bankroll, has a very low return and is a very risky one because of the maximum bet limits imposed by the casinos. If you run out of money or reach the house limit, you can lose a lot with no chance to recover your losses. Pyramiding is a parlay wager whereby the original wager plus its winnings are played on successive wagers. It is commonly used in horse racing betting.
Basically you make a bet and if you win you re-invest the winnings on the next bet. You 'let it ride'. This method of play is by no means risk free, but it offers the least amount of risk of all wagers since the player is only concerned with either a win, place or show selection or a combination of the three.
It is one of the oldest methods of wagering and was originally derived from the same premise that banking systems use to compound interest. You start with one bet and you increase your bet when you win rather than when you lose. However, you will need to plan a betting procedure whereby you know how far you will let the bet build before you take it down to the initial starting bet and how much to raise after each win.
This obviously depends on the type of game played and the odds of the bet. The advantage of this system is that you do not require a large bankroll. It lets the profit run and cuts short the losses. If this bet is won, parlay it and wager both bet and win, or two units. This is the heart of the system: one MUST back bet or parley the win. Now if you are favored with a second win, you will of course be ahead.
Take your three extra checks and place them in the back lock up chip rack and start over again with one check.
There is a card mounted on the table telling you what the odds are or just ask. The dealers are very friendly for the most part and will help you if you ask. Throw a bet their way every once in a while and they will take care of you. Easiest way to remember it is that the odds bets pay on the 6 and 8, so your fine putting your bets down in multiples of 5.
If you bet on a 6 or 8 when the point is on something else then it pays less than true odds hence the house edge and pays as noted above. After a couple of times doing it wrong you will soon remember : The dealers arnt funny about it though, im sure all newcomers make the same mistakes. And just to cover the other numbers, place bets on the 6 and 8 pay 7 to 6, the 5 and 9 pay 7 to 5, and the 4 and 10 pay 9 to 5.
Thanks for the replies, I think I understand it now. I think the only other thing I need to remember is that since odds bets always pay true odds, and true odds for 5 and 9 are , I should also place an even bet for these numbers on my odds bet. I'm sure I'll make a few mistakes but want to limit them so I don't come across as a complete buffoon! Any of you more seasoned players, please correct any misstatements.
Any amount lower than the above suggested will not be paid maximum odds. An easy way to remember the place bet payoff is by memorizing the particular payoff. For instance, the numbers 4, and 10 have a payoff of 9 to 5. Therefore, as the player, if you remember that the first number 9 listed in the payoff is the amount of dollars you will win if you bet the dollar amount of the second number 5.
Of course if the player bets more money I would suggest simply doubling the amount to keep the math simple. Also, the 3x 4x 5x odds are the max you can bet if those are the table max Again, appreciate all the help. Will be sure to post a detailed TR and let you know how it all went down.
I'm going with a group of 4 others, none of whom have ever played craps and I am making it mandatory that we all play together if at all possible. Can't wait Most strip casino's limit odds bets to either 2X or 3X4X5X. You will find many places downtown with better odds. It's Vegas - never worry about looking like a total buffoon. Any decent dealer will help you make these plays, especially if you announce that you are new. No matter how much you study up at home, in the excitement of a casino, after a few tasty drinks, you can forget.
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Help Please pm Great desserts in restaurants?! But before you feel sorry for them, let's take a closer look at the benefits and pitfalls of multiple odds betting. The odds bet in craps is quite unique among casino bets. It has the following characteristics, some of which you may be familiar with, while others you will be after you read this article. It must be made along with a pass line bet or a come bet, don't come, or don't pass line wager but for this article I will concentrate only on the pass line wager.
The basics of the odds bet is as follows. Once a shooter establishes a point on the come-out roll, players have the option to make a secondary wager known as an odds bet on the point number. You won't find the odds bet marked on the layout and the dealer will not tell you about it unless you ask.
To make the odds bet, just place your chips on the layout directly behind your pass line bet. If you placed an equivalent amount of chips on the odds bet as you wagered on the pass line, this is known as single odds. Most casinos offer double odds, which means you could double the amount wagered in odds vs the amount on the pass line. Other casinos offer higher multiples, such as three, five, ten, twenty, up to the spectacular times odds.
The odds bet wins or loses by the same rules as the pass line. If the shooter makes his or her point by rolling the point number before rolling a seven, then both the pass line and odds wager win. If instead the shooter tosses a seven before the point number, then both bets lose. When the shooter makes his or her point number, the pass line bet wins 1 to 1 or even money e. This is the case for all casino bets except the odds bet.
It is the only bet where the casino pays off at the true mathematical odds; therefore, they have no edge over the player. The relationship of the casino's edge on the combined pass line plus odds wager as a function of the odds multiple is shown in the table below. The bottom line: the more a player bets in odds, the lower is the casino's edge for the combined pass line plus odds bet.
Multiply your answer by to convert to percent or 0. For times odds substitute for x, multiply your answer by , and you'll get 0. Suppose some enterprising casino offers times odds. What's the casino's edge? Answer at the end of article this article. Casinos promote the fact that the times odds lowers the casino's edge. This might seem confusing but keep in mind that the lower casino edge touted for the times odds is true when you consider the total amount a player wagers on the pass line plus odds.
The following example will clarify this point. Which player has the lower expected loss? Get the point? So even though the casino's edge is lower for the combined pass line plus odds, the casino's expected take is the same. In essence multiple odds force a player to bet more, which when multiplied by the lower casino edge, yields the same expected loss. Having said all this, which of the following players have a lower expected loss?
You are correct if you said the expected loss is the same for all three players. You can ignore the amount of the odds bet and just focus on the amount wagered on the pass line because the odds bet has an expected loss of zero. In other words, it does not affect the negative expectation of the pass line over the long run. Making a times odds bet also forces players to have a lot of money riding on the table at one time.
This could lead to disastrous consequences should a short run of consecutive losses befall an undercapitalized player. So what are the benefits of times odds? Take a look at how these three players are betting. If you said Player C is the smarter player, bravo! But be careful. One final caveat to consider. All casino games with a negative expectation have this characteristic: the larger the bankroll a player tries to double before going broke, the smaller is the probability of success.
The reason is that the casino's edge will start to take its toll the longer you play. However, for the same given bankroll your success of doubling it will increase, the lower you can reduce the casino's edge. The table on the next page shows these points quite clearly. It summarizes the approximate probability of a craps player doubling his bankroll before going broke, betting just on the pass line, pass line with double odds, and pass line with times odds.
The probabilities were graciously calculated by Stewart Ethier, a mathematics professor at the University of Utah, and a world expert on the mathematics of craps. To ensure a fair comparison, it assumes an average bet of 70 betting units per come-out roll in all three cases as follows. Take a look at what the probability is for a craps player trying to double a 5, betting- unit bankroll before losing it all. By reducing the edge still further by taking advantage of times odds, his probability of doubling his bankroll before losing it increases to almost 50 percent!
You can see why the free odds bet is such a great one and why some of the proposition bets are terrible. My advice is to study this information or at least glance at it to find good strategies. As you can see from the payout table, there are many bets that sound exotic and arcane but they really aren't that good, even though they may sound like the "secret" bets that no one knows about.
Really the only good ones are the pass line or don't pass in conjunction with the free odds bets. There are a few other decent ones as well. The trick to know is that when the house edge is a very low percentage, then the bet is a good one. Also remember the fact that the number 7 is rolled more often than any other number.
The 2 and 12 snake eyes and box cars are rolled the least and have low probabilities of coming out. You can read about this in our odds and probabilities page if you would like to understand the concept behind this. Since the house has no edge on the free odds bet I'm confused?
Can anyone clue me into what I'm missing here? Thanks Stickman PS: Also, it seems to me that by placing the Pass and the Don't Pass bets in place until a point is established, you would be reducing the overall volatility of your bankroll. Joined: Mar 28, Threads: 27 Posts: Joined: Nov 12, Threads: 17 Posts: You don't throw one dice with 11 numbers on it.
You throw two dice with six on it, meaning that there are 8 ways to throw a 7 or 11, 3 ways to throw a 2 or 3, and 1 way to throw a Yes, you do lower the volatility. In fact, if you don't put odds down, your variance will be extremely low -- you can't win. When you place odds the HA does go down but by less because you have more units in play and you lose the benefit of the come out roll.
You can't handle the truth! Joined: Jan 14, Threads: Posts: April 9th, at PM permalink. The bets are really independent of each other. In your mind you are thinking that one cancels the other out, but that's not really true.
It's not a very smart bet, but it is certainly not the worst. Betting both ways is no worse than playing the field, and still not as bad as a proposition bet. In a similar manner they think they are reducing their risk, because they figure that if they lose the pass line bet because the dice end up craps, at least they will win the craps bet. But it doesn't really cover you because you lose the craps bet on the 7's and 11's and all the point rolls.
The house average is So it may be only a dollar bet, but the expectation is relatively low. To get the house average of two independent bets, you simply add the house averages of the individual bets. Joined: Mar 30, Threads: 17 Posts: Yeah, I posted a similar question as this a few days back. The entire HA come from the 12 being rolled on the come-out. In other words, if the 12 won, rather than pushed on the comeout for a DP bet, you could use this strategy for zero HA.
Of course the trade-off is that you are only getting small wins, while risking large bets on the DP odds. Joined: Nov 2, Threads: Posts: I don't play the Donts, but every time this comes up, I have a hard time wrapping my head around it.
This statement makes sense: Quote: pacomartin.
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